The Secular Case Against Gender Neutral “Marriage” by Atheist Randy Randolph

As an atheist I am opposed to gay marriage because there is no reason for it. The FACT is that gay marriage is NOT a right in the Constitution, unlike Civil Rights for Black Americans, which IS explicitly in the Constitution. Marriage is a legal status granted by the state for its good and welfare. Just like subsidies that are given to some companies for the public good, marriage is a contract granted by the state for its interests and that of the couple. I can see NO benefit to the state for granting gay marriages.

I hardly think that being against gay marriage is an indication of bigotry or lack of progressive outlooks. I am opposed to gay marriage, but I am not for criminalizing homosexual acts nor treating gays differently in most things. Just because I don’t think that we get anything out of gay marriage, hardly means I hate gays. That is like a child complaining that if it doesn’t get what it wants, you hate the child. Grow up! I guess too that we are hating Mormons and Muslims if we don’t let them have more than one wife. 

You could also argue that restricting marriage to one man and woman is an abridgment of their religious freedoms. So if gays may marry, why not polygamy? ALL of the same arguments for polygamy apply just as well for gay marriage. 

Marriage is forbidden to other classes of people not just gays as well. You may not marry your mother or father, brother or other close relatives, except for some states it would appear such as Kentucky. You may not have more than one partner in a marriage. Bigamy is still a crime and should remain so since it is a fraud in the use of marriage. 

For all of human history, we have had an interest in raising children and having them. All children are born out of a sexual union of a man with a woman in some form. Most children are still reared in families and that is the reason that the state benefits from heterosexual marriage.  The function of marriage also is to secure the legal lines of property settlement for the children and establish the responsibility for who is to be the legal parent of the child and who may make legal decisions for it before majority.

Nobody now debates the merits of a two, man/woman parent family. We tried the single mom method and most studies I have seen reports that show it is definitely not the optimum home for the child. That is not to say that all other family arrangements cannot be used successfully. The point is that the optimum is the two parent heterosexual family model, so the state has a definite interest in promoting such an arrangement. Other models while less good are better than some other alternatives.

It is better to have a gay couple raise a child, than to leave the child in an institution. If there is an opportunity to have either a man/woman couple adopt a child or a gay couple, there is no question that the heterosexual will be the better choice. The gay marriage idea would put the gay couple on the same level as the heterosexual one.

I can see no benefit to society for gay marriage. Those who are in favor of it have the burden of proof to show that the state gains from it. If it were possible for two men to have children, then I would think that indeed gay marriage would be called for. So far I have not heard of such a thing.

The other problem that we are running into with gay marriage is with lesbian couples who have a biological child of one of the partners. In the case of divorce, who gets custody? Are there visitation rights and child support payments required? In short we get nothing but headaches and legal problems and a requirement for more judges in family courts if gay marriages are allowed. I don't think the cost justifies the lack of benefit. All the benefits I can see flow only one way.

All heterosexual marriages have the potential to produce children in most of the cases. THAT is why marriage is established for heterosexual unions. When you show me that two men produce a child through their sexual union with one another, then I will be in favor of gay marriage. Until such time we get nothing for it.

Furthermore, marriage is not just a word, it is legal contract granted by the state for its benefits and that of the couple. I agree that consenting acts between adults should be their own business. They can live together and play whatever games they wish in the privacy of their bedrooms, but that is not the question.

You have to prove the benefit to the state for granting this legal status, not that it has to be proven that harm would result. Also, you will have to grant the same status to Muslims who have a religious belief that all men have the right to more than one wife. Most Muslim countries allow for polygamy and they have survived for centuries with it. I know of no culture of a civilized society that has had legal gay marriage though for any period of time. There have been many cultures where homosexuality was almost the norm, but I am not aware of any that gave formal legal status to such liasons. 

The Radical Roots Behind the LGBT Movement by Agnostic, Sean M.

“I am not religious and I am against "gay marriage + adoption, IVF, surrogacy, + gender identity theory + transgenderism". Most of the time people who protest against what I just mentioned are those who believe in God and who go to church. The reason for such a weak reaction from the side of non-believers is due, in my opinion, to the fact that people are not aware of the real plans of the LGBT, and nowadays most people don't really care about marriage.

I was in favor of "gay marriage" before I started investigating and discovered that "marriage" is only part of a giant puzzle. The first thing that amazed me was to see so many people (not gay) on the street demanding "gay marriage," and their key words were "homo/hetero equality of rights"... But I only saw socialists and communists. 

Another part of the puzzle is that we are all in front of a massive attack lead by extremists. Their common point is that they are communists. For communist people, family and the Catholic Church are enemies, and this is clearly explained by Marx, Engels, and Trotzky in their books. You can find this in "The Revolution Betrayed" (Trotzky). By granting marriage to same-sex people they think they will bring the value of marriage to zero, and the next step is to open marriage to more than 2 people. 

Why do they want to destroy marriage and the nuclear family? It is because marriage creates a resistance cell to the empire, to the dictator. Don’t forget that communists want people to be alone; people belong to the empire, and to nothing else. Children are to be cut from any biological link; they belong to the state. The purpose of cutting the biological link between parents and children is so that parents will become only people who take care of children when the empire releases their children from the programming camps which are called schools.

 

All this is a puzzle. If you never met left extremists you will have trouble assembling all the elements. I met left extremists, I saw them, and I saw them in operations. I met LGBT people too; I went to the gay prides and made interviews. I met researchers. If you don't read Marx, Engels and Trotzky, if you don't meet the extremists, you will not be able to see the complete picture of what is going on internationally. It is more obvious to notice where communists are in our country, they hide behind different labels, for someone who has the correct axis, it becomes obvious. 

These extremists (especially the feminists) all have in common another thing: they want to have all the rest of the world to be conformed to their own image. They think they have to free women from men, and to have women living without men, as men are their enemies. These people don't understand the fusion between a man and a woman; they don't understand what a child means for his parents.

A child is its parents, it is their love, and it is them. For people who use IVF and Surrogate mothers, a child is only an educational project. These people simply copy "straight people". They think that by “acting” the same, they will be "same". This is the “performance” of the gender concept in application. Marriage is for a man and a woman, not for people who want to “imitate/act” a gender; it is no theater. This is all a big mistake. You don't become a man merely by copying a man and you don’t become a woman merely by copying a woman.

Gay marriage is created and fed by people who want us to leave the world of Male/Female, and to replace it by LGBT norms such as transgender, gender queer, femme, butch, bi-gender, non-binary etc. Yes the extremists who are in power over the gay “marriage” movement want to destroy marriage and families. Only gullible people will explain that it is for "equality". Equality is already there, we are men and women, and we have all the same rights. The world is not divided into "homo/hetero/bi/trans/.etc", there is no such opposition in our society. We shall not use their norms, words, and expressions, as they want us to do.”

Marriage Absurdities by Pagan Agnostic Vern B.

When I said I was going to wed my Harley Davidson, I was kidding, tongue deep in cheek; as were my Bro's and Sisters of the Red and Black. They were there for me when I "married" my Harley Davidson. It was to highlight and call attention to the absurdity that is now rampant insofar as marriage is concerned.

It was a protest I was hoping would go viral. A protest I was hoping everyone on this planet would stop just long enough to see that this is WRONG. I am not anti-gay, what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms between CONSENTING ADULTS, is their business, not mine & not anyone else's. 

All of humanity has different rituals (mostly fertility) for marriage and with most of humanity, that marriage is between a woman and a man. During the recent gay marriage movement Christians have been targets of the liberal progressive's, because if you kick a crutch out from someone who needs it for support, they are going down, hard. That is exactly what the liberal progressives want for their new world order. They want the human race to go down. HARD.

They want the population of the world down to less than a billion, and of course, THEY want to choose how it goes down and who survives. Modern marriage in the US has its roots from Ancient Greece, Rome (who adopted it from the Greeks), and from Christianized European countries who adopted monogamous heterosexual marriage from Rome.

Pagan rites are just as deep, deeper if the truth be known, and just as valid, if those who join together in those rites truly care for each other and truly mean to live by the oaths they swear to. Pagan rites and rituals far outnumber HOLY MATRIMONY, and are every bit as valid, and ten thousand times as varied. But I am not speaking of Pagan rituals, I am talking about HOLY MATRIMONY.

Why is it that those who despise the notion of God or of Christians threw feces at worshiping Christians just a few days back at a protest against new sex-ed curriculum in schools? Also, in Syria and in Africa Christians are being slaughtered, burned alive in ditches; or hung, raped, beheaded and tortured.

Now those same people who decry Christianity the loudest, with pure hatred and mockery for whomever put's their faith in Jesus ... NOW they want inclusion in one of the rocks of that faith that they abhor ... They want inclusion in the Christian rite of Holy Matrimony. But it seems that they also want all Christians dead or imprisoned or marginalized.

I do not claim to be aware enough of what forces created this universe, or even what forces had to align in whatever way to start the ball rolling to the big bang ...or whatever started the first thing.

I think God is real but not a white male on a throne surrounded by angels. I think God is so far beyond our understanding, our ability to comprehend, that words are woefully inadequate to transfer even a dust mote of the concept of what God is.

God is NOT about marrying your Motorcycle. God is NOT about a man marrying a man, or a woman a woman. There are OTHER rituals that can and do bind relationships together for a human's pitifully short life time. There is only one Marriage conducted in HOLY MATRIMONY ... and that is the marriage between a Man and a Woman.

The tail is wagging the dog in this country.